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Traditional Irish music & Song

The playing of Traditional Irish music and Song on Mountain Dulcimer

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Latest Activity: Oct 10

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Irish pipes 8 Replies

Hello every one!Does any one like the uilIanPlpes? I do -since I first heard Seamus Ennis play "the wandering minstral" on the radio about 30 years ago (I had long hair then!) he then went on to play…Continue

Started by Gary McNaughton. Last reply by Gary McNaughton Oct 10.

The Bitter the Parting - John Doyle 7 Replies

Bitter the PartingI know (I think) he wrote this song....but does it have any roots in a traditional tune?  It's so haunting…Continue

Started by Janene Millen. Last reply by Val Hughes Sep 29.

Irish Chunes in the Song Circle 12 Replies

Introduced a couple of Irish tunes to our Wednesday song circle/jam/potluck at the Ottsville Trad Arts Center this Wednesday, and they went over very well.  First was The Waxie's Dargle and second…Continue

Started by Timothy. Last reply by Ken Babb Sep 19.

World War 1 Songs of War. 7 Replies

Danny Boy,released just prior to WW1, Danny Boy with it's images of loss, parting and hints of reunion, became an anthem for the troops. Penned in 1910 by prolific British songwriter and lawyer…Continue

Started by Val Hughes. Last reply by John Henry Sep 15.

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Comment by john p on September 27, 2014 at 9:29am

Hi Val,

I've just posted a discussion here

Playing Audio files in FOTMD

Hope it can help

Comment by Val Hughes on September 25, 2014 at 3:15pm

Welcome to the Irish group Julie.

Comment by John Henry on September 24, 2014 at 3:13am

Keep 'em coming john, I so wish you posted more often, I love that deceptively 'lazy' style of playing you use !

John

Comment by Randy Adams on September 23, 2014 at 8:37pm

John

You're playing on Bunch of Rushes is extry pretty....great tune. You've got a great downward slide there....makes the melody so lyrical

Comment by Chris Higgins on September 23, 2014 at 2:08pm

Just wanted to say, I look in occasionally and enjoy it, liked John p playing and hope to find the time to share something as well. Good luck, y'all. 

Comment by john p on September 23, 2014 at 1:51pm

Thanks for looking that up Val. That sonds like the tune I know as 'The Bonny Bunch of Roses'.

But I did find this(at abc again) and I can hear it in there, especially the second measure.

"The Little Bench of Rushes" (air)

abcnotation.Little Bench of Rushes

There's a right tangle of tunes and titles for sure.

Almost certainly the workings of the 'folk process' as others have said.

I'm only just starting to get to grips with all this SMN stuff. Having played by ear for so long I still don't know what I'm looking at half the time.

Comment by Val Hughes on September 23, 2014 at 1:12pm

Your find sounds good John.

Comment by Val Hughes on September 23, 2014 at 12:57pm

John, I translated  Bunch of Rushes to Dornán Luachrach or Luachraí I traced this to a tune called An Binsin Luachra, The little Bench of Rushes check it out on youtube, see what you think. With Thomas Moore it was more of a case of  the other way around he wrote his songs took the old airs, and in a lot of cases changed the airs to suit the words. In fact Bunting with a show of indignation bemoaned the fact that Moore had too often adapted the music to the words, instead of adapting the words to the music. Bunting himself tampered a lot with the old airs and as a collector had no licence to do so.

Comment by john p on September 23, 2014 at 12:43pm

Found this at abc :

abcnotation.Bunch_of_Rushes

where it's down as a reel. Includes a Midi link.

I think I remember being told it was a hornpipe, and that certainly works well too.

Comment by Gwen Caeli on September 23, 2014 at 12:21pm

Nice job, John!  It reminds me of Chanter's Tune in an E modal Dorian.  I hear a few similarities in your tune to a tune I play, "The Bunch of Green Bushes that Grew at the Rim".  It is listed as an "old Irish melody" in archived library manuscripts from 1805.  Later, the Irish-born poet/balladeer Thomas Moore (1779-1852) wrote the words "This Life is All Chequered" to that tune.  However, it is in 6/8 time!  Moore's words perfectly fit the 6/8 time signature.  Makes me wonder as tunes traveled through the centuries - how much 'artistic creative license' and oral tradition played into changing up time meters and jumping from major to minor scales over the centuries?  And, as Mark said, how much did tunes change as they migrated across the big pond to America?  In researching old Irish tunes for "Fresh Airs", I found that Thomas Moore did that to several of the old traditional tunes.  He took the Irish melodies, wrote songs to them and sold them as popular Broadside ballads in London society.  He knew how to 'turn a buck', or is it 'Euro'?!

 

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